Like Morpehus i kind of have a problem with the Old Testament Jehover.
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Which bible character do you hate the most?
by Bonsai inthe more i think about it, the more i feel an extreme dislike for the apostle paul.
he was on par with hitler in his treatment of the jews before he "saw the light".
he replaced jesus teachings of love and mercy with a more legalistic, pharisaical concept of devotion to god.. any evil person can come to believe in god and worship him if the scales were literally and miraculously removed from his eyes.
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Is my friend on the way out of the organisation?
by The Rebel inwhen i left the watchtower i realised it was best to put friendships on hold.
however i mentioned to my best friend that i didn't agree with how they handled child abuse issues and that was one of the reasons i left.. anyway as i am fortunate and own two rental apartments and he is a plumber so we have kept in contact, in that i email him when i require his services and he sends me the invoice.
anyway i am now dissociated, but yesterday i emailed him about a pluming problem, and he replied.. " sorry we missed going to the indian ( this was a comment made about us having a meal together about 9 months ago, which i backed out of because i felt he was too indoctrinated and i had not disassociated myself) anyway his email continued:-.
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Gayle thank you for the reply. To clarify my friend has no contact with this board he emailed me privately on a business matter. ( yes plumbing matters are business matters)
Most importantly I appreciate all the advice.
Even more importantly if someone had asked me who from my former indoctrinated friends i would consider least likely to defect, I would answer him. ( I use the term "him" because it's best not to give even a first name, as the sight may be monitored)
So going back to the contents of my O.P I hope my policy of being patient and allowing friends to awaken in their own time is on the verge of my first success.
I really hope so.
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what is the ontlogical trinity
by piledriver inthe trnity to me means the true nature of god essence,attributes each person of the trinity is equal the father the son and the holly spirit all share the devine nature ie three persons of the godhead are all equal in power ,glory and wisdom john 10:30.jesus and his father god are one meaning of the same nature mathew 28.19 jesus said all to be baptised in the name of the father and of the son and the holly ghost reprissenting 3 persons of the godhead to wellcome the devine trinity into your soul .
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Well as an athiest I won't dismiss something because I don't like the conclusion. Cofty raised a fair point in his trinity challenge and I have tried to answer it.
Trinity equals infinity.
1+1+1 = 3
100 + 100 + 100 = 300
But the infinite when symbolized by:-
1oo + 1oo+ 1oo = 3
Therefore trinity = infinity.
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Is my friend on the way out of the organisation?
by The Rebel inwhen i left the watchtower i realised it was best to put friendships on hold.
however i mentioned to my best friend that i didn't agree with how they handled child abuse issues and that was one of the reasons i left.. anyway as i am fortunate and own two rental apartments and he is a plumber so we have kept in contact, in that i email him when i require his services and he sends me the invoice.
anyway i am now dissociated, but yesterday i emailed him about a pluming problem, and he replied.. " sorry we missed going to the indian ( this was a comment made about us having a meal together about 9 months ago, which i backed out of because i felt he was too indoctrinated and i had not disassociated myself) anyway his email continued:-.
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I think friendship should be unconditional. Since my disassociation I have never held animosity to being shunned. Friendship to me is unconditional. But I really had difficulty stopping the tears rolling down my eyes with this email.
Here I am presented with what maybe is an opportunity to help a friend whose awakening. This I hope is just not a wonderful thought, and I was so encouraged by that email it really made " my heart rejoice". So I won't blow this opportunity and have decided to just pay the plumbing bill. That's the one thing I learnt as a door knocker don't rush things.
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Is my friend on the way out of the organisation?
by The Rebel inwhen i left the watchtower i realised it was best to put friendships on hold.
however i mentioned to my best friend that i didn't agree with how they handled child abuse issues and that was one of the reasons i left.. anyway as i am fortunate and own two rental apartments and he is a plumber so we have kept in contact, in that i email him when i require his services and he sends me the invoice.
anyway i am now dissociated, but yesterday i emailed him about a pluming problem, and he replied.. " sorry we missed going to the indian ( this was a comment made about us having a meal together about 9 months ago, which i backed out of because i felt he was too indoctrinated and i had not disassociated myself) anyway his email continued:-.
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Freedo "don't go for the meal locally as if he gets seen with you" Excellent point. I would also hate to think that he could make the mistake and mention it to wife.
Anyway I know he is not keeping me sweet for the work I give him. The odd job work I give him he does in the evening as a favour.
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what is the ontlogical trinity
by piledriver inthe trnity to me means the true nature of god essence,attributes each person of the trinity is equal the father the son and the holly spirit all share the devine nature ie three persons of the godhead are all equal in power ,glory and wisdom john 10:30.jesus and his father god are one meaning of the same nature mathew 28.19 jesus said all to be baptised in the name of the father and of the son and the holly ghost reprissenting 3 persons of the godhead to wellcome the devine trinity into your soul .
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Further clarification to the trinity challenge, from an athiest.
Trinity equals Infinity,
1+ 1 + 1 =3
but the infinite when symbolized by 1oo and not 100.
1oo +1oo+ 1oo = 3
However:-
100+ 100+ 100 = 300.
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Is my friend on the way out of the organisation?
by The Rebel inwhen i left the watchtower i realised it was best to put friendships on hold.
however i mentioned to my best friend that i didn't agree with how they handled child abuse issues and that was one of the reasons i left.. anyway as i am fortunate and own two rental apartments and he is a plumber so we have kept in contact, in that i email him when i require his services and he sends me the invoice.
anyway i am now dissociated, but yesterday i emailed him about a pluming problem, and he replied.. " sorry we missed going to the indian ( this was a comment made about us having a meal together about 9 months ago, which i backed out of because i felt he was too indoctrinated and i had not disassociated myself) anyway his email continued:-.
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Thanks Stan livedeath, that's very good advice, and it's a shame meeting a friend should even generate such questions. But that's religion for you. Having said that since I left the congregation, I've been lucky to get a sincere hello from many I considered better than that. And since my dissociation, I don't even get that.
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Is my friend on the way out of the organisation?
by The Rebel inwhen i left the watchtower i realised it was best to put friendships on hold.
however i mentioned to my best friend that i didn't agree with how they handled child abuse issues and that was one of the reasons i left.. anyway as i am fortunate and own two rental apartments and he is a plumber so we have kept in contact, in that i email him when i require his services and he sends me the invoice.
anyway i am now dissociated, but yesterday i emailed him about a pluming problem, and he replied.. " sorry we missed going to the indian ( this was a comment made about us having a meal together about 9 months ago, which i backed out of because i felt he was too indoctrinated and i had not disassociated myself) anyway his email continued:-.
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Thank you Cappytan. And I would add this would be a difficult decision for him, as his wife and kids are completely indoctrinated.
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Is my friend on the way out of the organisation?
by The Rebel inwhen i left the watchtower i realised it was best to put friendships on hold.
however i mentioned to my best friend that i didn't agree with how they handled child abuse issues and that was one of the reasons i left.. anyway as i am fortunate and own two rental apartments and he is a plumber so we have kept in contact, in that i email him when i require his services and he sends me the invoice.
anyway i am now dissociated, but yesterday i emailed him about a pluming problem, and he replied.. " sorry we missed going to the indian ( this was a comment made about us having a meal together about 9 months ago, which i backed out of because i felt he was too indoctrinated and i had not disassociated myself) anyway his email continued:-.
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When I left the watchtower I realised it was best to put friendships on hold. However I mentioned to my best friend that I didn't agree with how they handled child abuse issues and that was one of the reasons I left.
Anyway as I am fortunate and own two rental apartments and he is a plumber so we have kept in contact, in that I email him when I require his services and he sends me the invoice. Anyway I am now dissociated, but yesterday I emailed him about a pluming problem, and he replied.
" Sorry we missed going to the Indian ( this was a comment made about us having a meal together about 9 months ago, which I backed out of because I felt he was too indoctrinated and I had not disassociated myself) Anyway his email continued:-
"would be interesting to catch up, was interested in your comment about paedophiles. It also seems there is an issue with money at the moment as they stopped work at Chelmsford and some bethelites have been laid off"
He then signed off " will report back tonight when I've done the job"
I was thinking when he reports back, I have 3 options:-
A) To say, I noted your comment about paedophiles and suggest you look up the Australian Royal Commission and Jehovers Witness.
B) Ask to meet for an Indian and let him have it. ( surely he wouldn't agree to meet if he is still indoctrinated?
Or my current preferred option,:-
C) Just pay the plumbing bill, and say if you want to talk I am here for you.
This is a big decision for me, as all those years knocking on doors, my now greatest achivement would be to help my dear friend out the Watchtower. Therefore advice would be appreciated.
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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post
by StarTrekAngel ini am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.
i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.
it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.
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Maybe this is not an important observation, but I think if the attitude of a posters words comes across as very condescending,it can give the impression of superiority. However at the same time this could could be completely in the mind of the reader. Therefore we should pause to consider if how we perceive a posters words, are necessarily written the way it was intended. This is of course easier to achive when we communicate in a humble way, and don't put ourselfs or others on a pedestal.
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